 Marie Rouensa descendant, Robert Franklin. One of the most rewarding aspects of first publishing an article about how a mitochondrial DNA test result helped a descendant uncover a long-forgotten Native grandmother is to have the pleasure of watching the story "grow" as other descendants who read the article have mitochondrial DNA tests, and come to discover, through their own genealogy research, that they too share the same exact matrilineal ancestor, traced from mother-to-mother.
By publishing the once-serendipitous finding of a Native American mitochondrial DNA haplogroup, C4c1, attained by Rusty Petitjean, and sharing his documented line, traced from mother-to-mother to Marie Ouacanteous Rouensa b. 1677 and d. 1725, co-authors Deadra Doucet Bourke and Marie Rundquist attracted the attention of Marie Rouensa descendant Robert Franklin. Knowing about his matrilineal line of descent, which had also been traced from mother to mother, from Native grandmother, Marie Rouensa, to himself, and about how mitochondrial DNA is passed, by way of inheritance, from a mother to her offspring, all the way down the line, Robert read the article and wondered if his full mitochondrial sequence DNA test results would show the same haplogroup as Rusty's (C4c1). Would their mtDNA test results match? Robert would soon learn the answer to his question -- when his full mitochondrial DNA sequence test results came in and proved to be a match with Rusty's! By comparing mitochondrial DNA test results and family genealogies, Rusty and Robert learned that they did indeed belong to the same C4c1 mitochondrial DNA haplogroup and that they both shared the same earliest Native American grandmother, Marie Rouensa, traced from mother-to-mother! Born and raised in Texas, Texas Tech University graduate Robert Franklin was no stranger to the topic of genealogy. Along with his love of the outdoors and enjoyment of time spent hiking and biking the many trails surrounding his home in Conroe, Robert Franklin possessed an intense interest in his own family history, sparked by his grandmother, "Mema," who lamented how little she knew about her mother, Agnes Bordelon Daire. Agnes was Robert's great grandmother, and she had died, tragically, when "Mema" was only a year old. Robert received an Ancestry membership as a birthday present, and he hoped that through his ancestry research, he would learn more about his mother's lost family lines. Robert discovered that he was related to the Vidrines on his mother's side. After researching a bit further, Robert was able to locate Fr. Jason Vidrine's genealogy website and later attended a Vidrine Family reunion where he met his Vidrine extended family. Fr. Vidrine informed Robert of his matrilineal line of descent, traced from mother to mother, from his earliest known Native American grandmother, Marie Rouensa, which inspired Robert to have the full mitochonrial sequence mtDNA tests, and later, the autosomal DNA test through Family Tree DNA. Today, Robert Franklin credits Fr. Vidrine with making this discovery and inviting him to be a part of his research and hopes to test with other companies as well. Our Acadian Amerindian Ancestry DNA project (which hosts these same mitochondrial DNA test results) also credits Robert Franklin for having the full mitochondrial sequence DNA test, connecting with his mitochondrial DNA match, Rusty Petitjean (who was the subject of our first article), and for building upon our knowledge of Marie Rouensa's extended family by graciously sharing his C4c1 haplogroup and his genealogy, traced from mother-to-mother (as mitochondrial DNA is passed from a mother to her children by way of genetic inheritance), as follows: 1.) Robert Bryan Franklin (C4c1) 2.) Christie Lane (C4c1)Holland/Kenneth Lynn Franklin 3.) Marie Jeanne "Janell" (C4c1) Daire/Samuel Wilbur Holland 4.) Agnes (C4c1) Bordelon/Jean Kossuth Daire 5.) Marie Armide (C41c) Vidrine/ Hilaire Bordelon 6.) Emelie (C4c1) Ortego/Zelien Vidrine 7.) Josephine (C4c1) Fontenot/Joachim Ortego 8.) Eugenie (C4c1) Soileau/ Henri "dit Bellevue" Fontenot 9.) Marie Jeanne "Marianne" (C4c1) Vidrine/ Jean Baptiste "Richaume" Soileau 10) Elizabeth (C4c1) de Moncharvaux /Capt. Jean Baptiste Pierre La Freile de Vidrine 11) Marie Anges (C4c1) du Chassin/Captain Jean Francois Tiserant de Moncharvaux 12) Agnes (C4c1) "dite Philippe" Estienne/Nicolas Michel du Chassin 13) Marie (C4c1) "Ouancanteoua" Rouensa/Capt Michel "dit Philippe" Estienne 14) Marie Jeanne (C4c1) Native Woman/Chief Francois-Xavier "Mamenthouensa" Rouensa Comment from co-author Deadra Doucet Bourke: Robert Franklin and Rusty Petitjean's matrilineal ancestry comes together with Marie Anges (C4c1) du Chassin de Moncharvaux (highlighted in bold). Robert's matrilineal line of descent is through her daughter Elizabeth de Moncharvaux Vidrine and Rusty's matrilineal line of descent is through daughter Marianne de Moncharvaux Robin. Comment from co-author Marie Rundquist: In addition to a genetic distance of 2 mtDNA match when Robert and Rusty's full mitochondrial DNA sequence test results were compared, an autosomal DNA comparison using the Gedmatch one-to-one matching tool, yielded a 6.4 cm match on Chromosome 19 and a 6.1 cm match on Chromosome 15. While these values (though close) fall beneath the 7 cm minimum threshold used to determine a recent autosomal DNA connection, it was interesting to investigate the possibility of an autosomal DNA match because of the shared ancestry beginning with most recent common matriline ancestor, Marie Anges (C4c1) du Chassin, b. ca 1723 who was married to Captain Jean Francois Tiserant de Moncharvaux, and was also a matrilineal descendant of Marie Rouensa. Note: As more descendants add their results to our "Marie Rouensa" story, we may continue to evaluate both the full mitochondrial sequence DNA matches in addition to finding out how autosomal DNA test results compare, when evaluated using the Gedmatch one-to-one matching tool. Link to: Rundquist, M., Bourke, D. D. (2020, November 1). "Serendipitous DNA Discovery Uncovers Rusty Petitjean's Hidden Native Ancestry." Family Heritage Research Community: https://familyheritageresearchcommunity.org/rouensa-dna -- by Marie Rundquist, Deadra Doucet Bourke, with Robert Franklin Link to: https://dna-genealogy-history.com Link to: https://familyheritageresearchcommunity.org/rouensa-dna Link to: Rundquist, M., Bourke, D.D. (2020, November 1). Full Article: https://dna-genealogy-history.com/uploads/3/4/0/9/34098671/petitjean-serendipitous_c4c1_mtdna_finding-final.pdf  Brian L. Doucet Brian Doucet of Nova Scotia Canada has participated in the C-P39 Haplogroup and the Acadian Amerindian Ancestry DNA Projects since 2011. Following Keith Doucet's earliest, confirmed Y DNA test results, in 2008, which first revealed a Native American haplogroup for descendants of Germain Doucet b. 1641 through son Laurent, (see Confirmed C3b Y DNA Test Results Test the Heritage of Cajun Cousin Keith Doucet), Brian, who traces his lineage to Germain Doucet b. 1641 through son Claude, was among the first of the Doucet men from Nova Scotia to participate in the Germain Doucet b. 1641 Y DNA study. The early days of Y DNA testing to prove the Native American lineage of Germain Doucet b. 1641 were interesting times, to say the least. In 2011, when Brian had his Y DNA test along with other Doucet men, genealogists were only just beginning to discover the benefits of Y DNA testing to research a surname line and few in the field knew much about it. In 2011, even fewer comprehended how it was possible that a hidden Native American lineage for Germain Doucet b. 1641 had been uncovered through Y DNA testing! After all, it was (at the time) "settled genealogy" that he descended from Germain Doucet, Sieur de La Verdure of France, right? Certain genealogists did, however, understand the implications of the then-controversial Y DNA findings for male descendants of the Germain Doucet b. 1641 line. One genealogist in particular, Paul Tufts, of Nova Scotia, who has an extensive background in the biological sciences, was instrumental in getting the word out about the Germain Doucet b. 1641 Y chromosome DNA study. During those early days of Y chromosome DNA testing to prove the Native American origins of this line, Paul would meet face-to-face with male descendants of Germain Doucet b. 1641 (who were, after all, friends and neighbors!) and he told them about the project, answered their questions, and convinced them to have the tests. Brian was among the first of the Doucet men in Nova Scotia to volunteer to have his Y DNA tested, and to share his results. Brian wondered if his Y DNA test results would show that he too belonged to what was then called the C3b haplogroup (now called C-P39), as did other Doucet men who traced their patrilines, from father-to-father, to Germain Doucet b. 1641. Brian's Y DNA test results, and his close, Y chromosome DNA matches with other Doucet men, who traced their lines to the same common ancestor, Germain Doucet b. 1641, proved that he did. Brian has since had additional testing that qualified his membership in the C-P39 Y DNA haplogroup, as have other men who trace their patrilines, from father-to-father, to Germain Doucet b. 1641. Fast-forward to the summer of 2022 when Brian, after having read about the latest advances within the "Doucet DNA" project, emailed DNA project manger, Marie Rundquist, and gave her permission to share his story and his genealogy (through Germain Doucet b. 1641's son Claude). In the same email, Brian also reflected upon his pivotal role in a 2012 White Paper that detailed project findings: Quoting from a White Paper Marie had written in 2012, "C3b Y Chromosome DNA Test Results Point to Native American Deep Ancestry, Relatedness, among United States and Canadian Study Participants," Brian shared in his correspondence, "I have to admit it was an odd (in a good way) feeling when I had read through the report and came upon my results being utilized: "Results of representative test kit 219075 (Doucet) were analyzed against thirteen others in the study. As illustrated in the MRCA % Probability Chart for kit 219075, when one Doucet descendant’s results are compared against thirteen other study participants, the highest probability for sharing a common ancestor at twelve generations -- a genealogically relevant timeframe - is greatest among Doucet surname descendants ..." Brian's remark highlights how one set of Y DNA test results (his), identified only by a kit number and the Doucet surname, were instrumental in (1.) establishing, by comparison with other Y DNA test results in the project, a First Nations / Native American lineage of male descendants of ancestor, Germain Doucet b. 1641, and (2.) helping to refute any possibility of a genetic, father-son relationship between Germain Doucet Sr., founder of Acadia, and Germain Doucet b. 1641 of Port Royal, Nova Scotia. By 2017, only after dozens of male, patriline descendants of Germain Doucet b. 1641 had added their matching Y chromosome DNA test results to the project, were the following outcomes firmly established for the Germain Doucet b. 1641 Y chromosome DNA study: The discovery of a Native signature for descendants of Germain Doucet b. 1641 by our projects (the first descendant of this line having tested with the Acadian-Amerindian DNA project in the Summer of 2008) had great significance for the descendants of Germain Doucet b. 1641 because the Native Y DNA signature attained for this line (1) disproved a European ancestry for Germain Doucet b. 1641, (2) disproved a father-son relationship between Germain Doucet b. 1641 and Germain Doucet Sr. of France and (3) disproved that Pierre Doucet (b. ca 1621) and Germain Doucet (b. 1641) were blood brothers having descended from the same father. Brian Doucet graciously shares his own Nova Scotia lineage to Germain Doucet b. 1641 through son Claude, tracing his line from father-to-father, beginning with himself. Brian provides the following names of each of his patriline ancestors (all Doucet men) and their spouses for each generation: Germain Doucet (b. 1641) + Marie Marguerite Landry Claude “dit Maitre Jean” Doucet + Marie Comeau Joseph Doucet + Anne Agnes Surette Michel Doucet + Marie Suzanne Mius David “le Grand” Doucet + Isabelle Mius Jean Robert Doucet + Marie Henriette Saulnier Alexandre “Killick” Doucet + Marie Jane Newman Alexandre “Sandé” Doucet + Catherine “Katie” Comeau Alfred “Fred” Doucet + Cecile Comeau Brian Louis Doucet Combining inputs from the Family Tree DNA Y-DNA database, ancient DNA, the Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA) algorithm, Dr. Carlos Quiles' research, the work of phylogeneticist Michael Saeger, population genetic studies worldwide, Family Tree DNA group projects, the Genographic Project, and the community, the Discover tool, trademarked by Family Tree DNA, references a target haplogroup label; e.g., C-P39 or other, which the user may search using a query form (see https://discover.familytreedna.com/).
The Family Tree DNA Discover tool (amazingly) projects the timeframes for the date of birth of an earliest known patrilineal ancestor, traced from father-to-father, who belonged to that same haplogroup and the tens of thousands of years that may have elapsed between upstream and downstream branches of his line. For example, the Discovery tool estimates that the first ancestor who belonged to Haplogroup C-Z30754 would have been born approximately 400 years ago (check!). Then, it provides estimated timeframes between intervening Big Y 700 branches, defined by leading SNPs (or markers) that separate C-Z30754 from the root, C-P39 Y DNA haplogroup that is estimated to have branched off from its parent subclade, some 11,000 years ago, plus or minus 2,100 years. Explore the features, referencing haplogroup C-Z30754, the signature, Big Y 700 DNA haplogroup attained for the descendants of Germain Doucet b.1641. Click: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/C-Z30754/story For information about the ground-breaking finding of Native American ancestry in the Doucet lineage tracing to Germain Doucet b. 1641 in 2008, and a chronology of Y DNA project updates, read the article, "Confirmed C3b Y DNA Test Results Test the Heritage of Cajun Cousin Keith Doucet" ...by Marie Rundquist with Keith Doucet. Thanks to all members for your participation in the C-P39 Y DNA Project, the Acadian Amerindian Ancestry DNA Project, and thanks also to the vast numbers of men who have taken the Big Y 700 DNA test, including the male descendants of Germain Doucet b. 1641. Your test results were immensely helpful in producing these estimates!!! Take a look at the latest Family Tree DNA Discover tool, https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/C-P39/story, now in beta test, updated estimates about the timings of the C-P39 haplogroup, and downstream and upstream subclade branches.
Combining inputs from the Family Tree DNA Y-DNA database, ancient DNA, the Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA) algorithm, Dr. Carlos Quiles' research, the work of phylogeneticist Michael Saeger, population genetic studies worldwide, Family Tree DNA group projects, the Genographic Project, and the community, the Discover tool, trademarked by Family Tree DNA, references a target haplogroup label; e.g., C-P39 or other, which the user may search using a query form (click: "Search Another Haplogroup" to try it out). The Family Tree DNA Discover tool (amazingly) projects the timeframes for the date of birth of an earliest known patrilineal ancestor, traced from father-to-father, who belonged to that same haplogroup and the tens of thousands, that may have elapsed between upstream and downstream branches of his line. Here are some of the features:
Thank you, C-P39 haplogroup members, for your participation in the C-P39 Y DNA Project! |
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